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Pope Leo XIV sits with Elise Allen, senior correspondent at Crux, for an interview at the pope's residence inside the Vatican's Palazzo Sant'Uffizio July 30, 2025. The biography of the pope is titled, "Leo XIV: Citizen of the World, Missionary of the XXI Century," and it will be published in Spanish by Penguin Peru Sept. 18. English and Portuguese editions of the book will be released in early 2026.
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September 18, 2025
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Clerical sexual abuse continues to be "a real crisis," one that the Catholic Church still must learn to deal with, particularly in improving the way it helps survivors while also ensuring the rights of the accused are respected, Pope Leo XIV said.
"It would be naive for myself or for anyone" to think that dismissing the offender and giving the victim a financial settlement completely solves a case, "as if those wounds are just going to go away because of that," the pope said in an interview for a book by Elise Allen, a journalist.
For Allen's biography, "Leo XIV: Citizen of the World, Missionary of the XXI Century," Pope Leo spoke about a range of issues, including the abuse crisis, U.S. President Donald Trump, the war in Gaza, Vatican policy toward China, the church's openness to LGBTQ Catholics, the role of women in the church, and the celebration of the pre-Vatican II Mass in Latin.
Excerpts of Allen's July 30 interview, her second interview with the pope, were published Sept. 14, but the full transcript was released Sept. 18 in conjunction with the publication of the Spanish edition of the book by Penguin Peru.
Pope Leo said that while the church has enacted tougher laws and policies to prevent and punish abuse, it cannot say that the crisis is over.
"This will continue to take time because victims must be treated with great respect and with an understanding that those who have suffered very deep wounds because of abuse sometimes carry those wounds for their entire life," he said.
At the same time, he said, there is the "complicating factor" of ensuring that the rights of the accused are respected.
"Statistics show that well over 90% of people who come forward and make accusations, they are authentically victims. They are telling the truth. They are not making this up," he said. "But there have also been proven cases of some kind of false accusation. There have been priests whose lives have been destroyed because of that."
And even when the accusation is well founded, the pope said, the accused has a right to a presumption of innocence and due process.
"But even saying that at times is cause of greater pain for the victims," Pope Leo acknowledged.
On the topic of President Trump, Pope Leo said he had not met the president nor spoken to him, although his brother Louis has and "has been very outspoken about his political views."
Trump "at times has made clear" his concern about questions of human dignity and promoting peace, the pope said. "In those efforts I would want to support him."
"The United States is a power player on the world level, we have to recognize that," he said, but "sometimes decisions are made more based on economics than on human dignity," such as the current immigration policy, and the church will continue to challenge that approach.
Pope Leo declined to get into "some of the things that have been said about the episcopacy in the United States and the relationship between church and politics." However, he said, "the fact that I am American means, among other things, people can't say, like they did about Francis, 'He doesn't understand the United States; he just doesn't see what's going on.'"
Regarding the war in Gaza, Pope Leo told Allen that "the word genocide is being thrown around more and more. Officially, the Holy See does not believe that we can make any declaration at this time about that. There's a very technical definition about what genocide might be, but more and more people are raising the issue, including two human rights groups in Israel."
On China, and most of the other issues the pope discussed in the interview, he said he would follow the basic path laid out by Pope Francis.
"I in no way pretend to be wiser or more experienced than all those who have come before me," Pope Leo said.
However, before becoming pope he made several visits to China, and Pope Leo said he is "in ongoing dialogue with a number of people, Chinese, on both sides of some of the issues," particularly concerning cooperating with the government so the church can operate openly while showing respect for Chinese Catholics who have undergone oppression for their refusal to join the government-controlled church.
The pope said he also intends to continue Pope Francis' welcoming approach to LGBTQ Catholics while not changing church teaching, especially the Catholic vision of marriage as being between one man and one woman committed to each other for life and open to having children.
"What I'm trying to say is what Francis said very clearly when he would say, 'todos, todos, todos.' Everyone's invited in, but I don't invite a person in because they are or are not of any specific identity. I invite a person in because they are a son or daughter of God," he said.
He said he also would "continue in the footsteps of (Pope) Francis" by appointing women to leadership roles in the church, "recognizing the gifts that women have that can contribute to the life of the church."
Studying the question of ordaining women to the diaconate will continue, he said, but he did not expect church policy to change any time soon, especially since the permanent diaconate is still not valued throughout the church. "Why would we talk about ordaining women to the diaconate if the diaconate itself is not yet properly understood and properly developed and promoted within the church?" he asked.
On continuing requests for greater access to celebrations of the pre-Vatican II Mass, Pope Leo said the Mass has been caught up in "a process of polarization -- people have used the liturgy as an excuse for advancing other topics. It's become a political tool, and that's very unfortunate."
By Cindy Wooden, Catholic News Service
VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Leo XIV said a proposal to create an AI-version of him so people could have a virtual audience with the pope pretty much horrified him.
"If there's anybody who should not be represented by an avatar, I would say the pope is high on the list," he said in an interview with Elise Allen, a journalist and author.
Allen's July 30 interview with Pope Leo is the last chapter of her biography, "Leo XIV: Citizen of the World, Missionary of the XXI Century," which was published in Spanish by Penguin Peru Sept. 18. The text of the interview, in English and Spanish, was given to reporters.
Pope Leo, who has made his concerns about the potential pitfalls of artificial intelligence clear since immediately after his election in early May, gave some concrete examples about why.
"Someone recently asked authorization to create an artificial me so that anybody could sign on to this website and have a personal audience with 'the pope,'" he told Allen. "This artificial intelligence pope would give them answers to their questions, and I said, 'I'm not going to authorize that.'"
While human creativity can be amazing, and artificial intelligence already has proven its usefulness in some fields, "there's a danger in this because you do end up creating a fake world and then you wonder, what is the truth?"
At the core of his concern, the pope said, is AI's impact on human dignity and on jobs.
"Our human life makes sense not because of artificial intelligence," he said, "but because of human beings and encounter, being with one another, creating relationships, and discovering in those human relationships also the presence of God."
"The danger is that the digital world will go on its own way, and we will become pawns, or left by the wayside," particularly when it comes to employment, he said.
"Human dignity has a very important relationship with the work that we do," the pope said. "The fact that we can, through the gifts that we've been given, produce, offer something in the world and earn a living," is a sign of human dignity.
Pope Leo said he believes there is a crisis looming of not having enough decent jobs for people because of technology and artificial intelligence.
"If we automate the whole world and only a few people have the means with which to more than just survive, but to live well, have meaningful lives, there's a big problem, a huge problem coming down the line," he said.
"That was one of the issues in the back of my mind in why I chose the name Leo," the pope said. His choice honored Pope Leo XIII, author of the encyclical "Rerum Novarum," which addressed issues of labor and workers' rights during the Industrial Revolution.
"The church is not against the advances of technology, not at all," he said, but it also insists on maintaining a relationship between faith and reason, and science and faith.
"I think to lose that relationship will leave science as an empty, cold shell that will do great damage to what humanity is about," Pope Leo said. "And the human heart will be lost in the midst of the technological development, as things are going right now."
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By Cindy Wooden, Catholic News Service
VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Leo XIV said a proposal to create an AI-version of him so people could have a virtual audience with the pope pretty much horrified him.
"If there's anybody who should not be represented by an avatar, I would say the pope is high on the list," he said in an interview with Elise Allen, a journalist and author.
Allen's July 30 interview with Pope Leo is the last chapter of her biography, "Leo XIV: Citizen of the World, Missionary of the XXI Century," which was published in Spanish by Penguin Peru Sept. 18. The text of the interview, in English and Spanish, was given to reporters.
Pope Leo, who has made his concerns about the potential pitfalls of artificial intelligence clear since immediately after his election in early May, gave some concrete examples about why.
"Someone recently asked authorization to create an artificial me so that anybody could sign on to this website and have a personal audience with 'the pope,'" he told Allen. "This artificial intelligence pope would give them answers to their questions, and I said, 'I'm not going to authorize that.'"
While human creativity can be amazing, and artificial intelligence already has proven its usefulness in some fields, "there's a danger in this because you do end up creating a fake world and then you wonder, what is the truth?"
At the core of his concern, the pope said, is AI's impact on human dignity and on jobs.
"Our human life makes sense not because of artificial intelligence," he said, "but because of human beings and encounter, being with one another, creating relationships, and discovering in those human relationships also the presence of God."
"The danger is that the digital world will go on its own way, and we will become pawns, or left by the wayside," particularly when it comes to employment, he said.
"Human dignity has a very important relationship with the work that we do," the pope said. "The fact that we can, through the gifts that we've been given, produce, offer something in the world and earn a living," is a sign of human dignity.
Pope Leo said he believes there is a crisis looming of not having enough decent jobs for people because of technology and artificial intelligence.
"If we automate the whole world and only a few people have the means with which to more than just survive, but to live well, have meaningful lives, there's a big problem, a huge problem coming down the line," he said.
"That was one of the issues in the back of my mind in why I chose the name Leo," the pope said. His choice honored Pope Leo XIII, author of the encyclical "Rerum Novarum," which addressed issues of labor and workers' rights during the Industrial Revolution.
"The church is not against the advances of technology, not at all," he said, but it also insists on maintaining a relationship between faith and reason, and science and faith.
"I think to lose that relationship will leave science as an empty, cold shell that will do great damage to what humanity is about," Pope Leo said. "And the human heart will be lost in the midst of the technological development, as things are going right now."
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